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HangPC2 replied to the topic Re: Tapak Bersejarah lembah Bujang '' Site 11 '' dimusnahkan in the forum.Artikel dari seorang India,Sharmalan Thevar yang menempelak saudara Indianya sendiri dalam kes perebutan hak Lembah Bujang dan juga menempelak sikap orang Melayu sendiri yang tak mahu ambil kisah pasal warisan nenek moyang mereka yang boleh ditelusuri usianya sekitar abad ke 8 Masihi
Bujang Valley & Malaysian Indians
Bujang Valley is an ancient archeological site in the northern Malaysian state of Kedah. It contains archeological evidence and structures that shows the ancient Hindu-Buddhist heritage of the state. The temples are known as chandi. The chandis even resemble sacrificial altars.
Recently, a not so smart developer demolished a particular chandi believed to be 1200-1300 years old (8th century AD). Suddenly many self proclaimed Indian champions of Bujang Valley became very agitated. MIC and Hindu Sangam became very upset. Indians of Facebook were busy condemning the government for their in action.
All because some Indians claimed that INDIAN HERITAGE was destroyed. Because these champions thought their grandfathers and great grandfathers built it.
The chandis were built even before the time of Rajaraja Chola or his son Rajendra Chola. Rajendra Chola attacked ancient Kedah in 11th century AD. That is a few hundred years after the chandis were built. Furthermore, he sent a military expedition but neither he nor his father personally participated in it.
But our beloved hardcore Indians thinks that Rajendra Chola came here, ate Nasi Lemak bungkus and left.
I was hurt too when I read the news. Not because of any Indian taglines but simply because I love to dwell in history. Furthermore, Malaysian government should preserve the history of this land. Malaysia was after all a Hindu-Buddhist domain before the arrival of Islam. The Hindu-Buddhist past of this land must never be erased.
The ancient Malays, I mean the ancestors of the real Malays, not the Melayu Celup or Constitutional Malays, were the ones who built these chandis. They would have gained the knowledge from the Indians. After all, didn't they learn religion from the Indians ? Didn't they use their language ? Didn't they use their writing scripts ?
You see, we Indians of Malaysia have a problem. We think that anything linked with Hinduism must have been created by our direct ancestors. It is true that Hinduism was introduced to Southeast Asia by the people of India. But that does not mean every single chandi was built by them.
Some of the ancient Indians who came here would have intermarried with some hot local Malay girls in wet sarong and lived happily ever after. Their descendants would have just remained here and became ancestors of some of the locals.
These ancient Indians who settled down here and their descendants are not the direct ancestors of the present day Malaysian Indians.
We have been here for probably around 200 years only. Anything beyond that goes back to India. We can still trace our roots to some village in India but none of us can trace a continuous lineage that lived here for 2000 years.
The oldest community to live here among the present day Malaysian Indians are the Malacca Chetties. They are Tamils of the merchant Chetti caste. They came here during the Malacca empire era and lived here since then. They did not go back to India. Some would have intermarried the locals (again hot girl in wet sarong) but they didn't end up loosing their ' Chettiness ' for the last 500 years.
But your grandfather and my grandfather settled down here during British rule. Although their ancestors would have traveled here earlier, they never stayed permanently. So how can we claim that our direct ancestors were the ones who built and lived along the chandis in Kedah ???
Because if it was our ancestors who built it and lived here permanently, we would have been a ' rojak Malay ' by now and not a Tamil speaking Hindu Malaysian Indian.
I am sorry to say this but it looks like most of you Malaysian Indians don't seem to know your own roots. You don't know which caste you belong to, you don't even know the name of your ancestral village in India, then why on earth simply say things which are not true ?
A person who knows his roots very well will know the caste and village his taata and paati came from. He will not simply lay claims to a heritage which was built by another race.
To make the problem worst, the modern Malaysian Malays are not speaking up to defend what their ancestors built. This is because their ancestors were not Muslims like them. Their ancestors were Hindus and Buddhist.
So the general Malay public which has been coated with Arabic culture does not seem to give a damn about their own Hindu-Buddhist heritage in this land. They keep speaking about heritage which is Islamic and forget about their pre-Islamic glorious past.
Again, I am only referring to the pure Malays, not any Malay wannabe like the not so honorable Ridhuan Tee Abdullah who has roots in China.
The Malays should learn from their cousins in Indonesia. Despite being the most populous Muslim country in the world, Indonesia accepts and preserves the Hindu-Buddhist past of the country. They don't live in denial.
And to my fellow Malaysian Indians, I think for as long as you don't know your own roots, you should not even bother opening your mouth about other ancient heritage.
You cannot take care of your own heritage, why make so much of noise for something which was never yours ?
End of tantrum.....
HangPC2 replied to the topic Re: Tapak Bersejarah lembah Bujang '' Site 11 '' dimusnahkan in the forum.straw hat wrote:
sebenarnya saya pelik.
kenapa MP india yang lebih2..hahaha..macam de berbau ikan,..
saya faham tuh tapak candi agama hindu...tapi tahukah yang beragama hindu dulu orang melayu...
lembah bujang satu tempat tamadun melayu yang sangat hebat dulu..
adakah MP melayu pun sama x sekolah..PBT yang bg kelulusan pun tak sekolah..sampai tak tau benda nih
undang-undang yang lebih ketat perlu dibuat untuk halang pemaju yang rakus..huhu...
teringat penjara pudu yang rakus diroboh kapitalis kat malaysia nih
Kalau ikut Sejarah Kaum Tamil (Chola) yang serang lembah bujang sampai jadi padang jarak padang tekukur...
HangPC2, yaminz replied to the topic Re: Tapak Bersejarah lembah Bujang '' Site 11 '' dimusnahkan in the forum.Taman Lembah Bujang Utama
Taman Lembah Bujang Utama (Phase 5) is another mix development project by Bandar Saujana Sdn Bhd. It is located just beside MRSM, Bujang. The project consists of single storey shop house, single storey bungalow, single storey semi-detached, single storey terrace A & B and low cost terrace.
The project is expected to be launched in beginning of 2009.
HangPC2 replied to the topic Re: Tapak Bersejarah lembah Bujang '' Site 11 '' dimusnahkan in the forum.ggk wrote:
damnnnnn ruginya tapi gambar before after tu mcm photoshop
sebelum tuh gambar lama.... keliling tapak ladang kelapa sawit...
HangPC2 created a new topic Tapak Bersejarah lembah Bujang '' Site 11 '' dimusnahkan in the forum.
Describing the destruction of an ancient Hindu temple in Kedah as nothing short of “ cultural barbarism ”, an opposition MP has called on Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak and Menteri Besar Mukhriz Mahathir to break their silence on the matter.
Padang Serai MP N Surendran said the nation is stunned by the destruction of the ancient temple structure dating from the 8th century in the historic Bujang Valley archaelogical site.
“ The destruction, carried out by a private developer, is an act of cultural barbarism, comparable to the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas by the Taliban.
“ It is a shame and embarrassment to our country, ” added the PKR vice-president.
Bujang Valley, said Surendran, is the most important archaeological site in Malaysia, and is famed throughout Southeast Asia.
The destroyed Candi Number 11, he added, was a tangible part of Malaysian history and invaluable to the nation.
“It is simply incomprehensible that the area was not gazetted as a historical site. How could the federal government and Kedah government allow this to happen?” he asked.
'What's the use of Culture and Tourism Ministry?'
Surendran also took the state government to task for its excuse that the land was privately owned, calling this “pathetic and unacceptable”.
“ Why did the Kedah state authorities give the necessary approvals for development to proceed, knowing full well that the area is historically significant ?
“ The Kedah government and authorities have displayed breathtaking irresponsibility and cultural philistinism in allowing the development to proceed, ” he added.
The federal government, he said, also has a positive duty to ensure that historically significant sites are preserved.
“ What is the use of having a Ministry of Culture and Tourism if the nation's heritage is so easily destroyed for private profit ? How do we answer for this cultural vandalism to future generations of Malaysians ? ” he added.
The PKR leader called on the Kedah government and the federal government to take urgent and effective steps to protect the Lembah Bujang archaeological site.
“ We demand that the state government immediately issues a stop work order for the development projects at the site.
“ We further call for the urgent preservation of the debris and wreckage of Candi No 11 with a view towards repair and full restoration.
“ Meanwhile both Najib and Mukhriz must break their silence on this matter. The people are entitled to an explanation, ” he added.
- Malaysiakini -
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